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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:50 am    Post subject: A prolonged period of southerly flow - SE OZ Reply with quote

Some interesting weather coming up for the SE with some very cold air moving in for the weekend - 850t likely to drop to around -5C on Sunday morning, and then SW to S flow to persist right through to next weekend with a series of weak fronts.

We should see some very low level snow on Saturday night into Sunday - at this stage sleet and snow should fall to around 400m. I can't see really big totals, but a few cm's should be a reasonable bet at places like Mt Macedon and Mt Dandenong.

The cool and showery for all of next week, though focused about the coast and southern parts. The set up looks pretty ordinary for the north and also central parts (except in the stream from the Bays) with not much in the offering IMHO.

BTW top report of 26mm from last night's storms just north of Kew, with other big falls in far east Gippsland.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not much change in the progs with a strong cold front closing in on Vic, and then a prolonged period of SW to southerly flow to last right through all of next week and (probably) into the following week.

Sat/Sunday should see 850Ts drop to around -4C and thickness values around 528 which should see snow to 400m. There will be a decent period of moist NW flow and a frontal feature dropping precip into dry and cold air at the surface so there is the prospects for some decent low level snow accumulations at places like Macedon, Trentham, Ballarat etc - under this set up the ranges east of Melbourne usually don't do so well. Then the flow goes slowly SW through tomorrow which should see showers focus in places like the Yarra Ranges, South Gippsland etc. If this flow goes convergent we could see some heavy showers in bands.

Then a long period of SW flow which will slowly moisten up over the next few days. This looks like a classic prolonged showery/drizzle spell which should see some substantial totals build in places like the Dandenongs/Melbourne catchments etc.

BTW 4.8mm up here in the southern Dandenongs overnight, after 0.5mm the night before. Min of just 3.7C after a max of 9.2.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A great little system over Vic ATM, though the rainfall has been rather light through most areas. Interesting that last night the flow went meridional enough so that the areas east of Melbourne got out of the Macedon rainshadow effect and the weather came straight through "hole" in the divide around Kilmore gap. A total of 18mm up here in the southern Dandenongs which is a big surprise. Picking this is just about impossible as 20 degrees in wind direction makes a big difference.

We've had about 2 hours of rain snow/mix at 400m - looking at the obs the snow line so far has probably been around the 500m level.

The next 12-24 hours looks really wet for southern Vic, and particularly central parts as a strong convergent SW flow establishes behind the low - this could easily see 30mm+ falls in the Yarra Ranges. There should be some big low level snow - the main question is how low it falls. The air mass is very cold (thickness values sub 528) but the 850Ts are not so remarkable, which suggests a very deep cold air mass, but (probably) snow not to the low levels that would be associated with such a cold air mass. This cold outbreak is cyclonic and with a developing low, which is very different from many in recent years which have been associated with deep southern lows well south with rapid ridging coming into Victoria.

For those up for a snow chase, the Dandenongs, Kinglake etc are probably worth a look, particularly when the SW showers start this morning.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick wrap-up of the local weather in the Dandenongs.....

Has snowed solidly up here for about 2 hours, but is now easing. Cover
got to about an inch but is melting pretty quick. Did the drive up to
Mt Dandy and it was mayhem. About 5cm of snow at its deepest. There
will be lots and lots of crashes om the roads (even in the 4wd in low
range I did a ~20m skid coming down the road from Olinda). The CFA
trucks were all ready, so I think they were anticipating a big day of
crashes...

BTW was settling to about 250m around the Basin, and snowing to about
180m just above Boronia. Was sleeting in Ferntree Gully at 150m. Puts
this event up there with the one in September about 4 years ago.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This system is still looking very similar, and if anything the clearance has been pushed back into the weekend. We should see some very hefty rainfalls in parts of southern Vic when it is over (GFS suggests 75mm+ in places) - particularly places like the Dandenongs and Yarra Ranges. Some parts have already had 60-70mm over the last 3 days with showers reinvigorating with the front tomorrow then becoming increasingly general later in the week in cold cyclonic SW flow - this is very moist and with with only slight cold air (and even warm air advection) should set up very thick Sc showers.

Two things to watch. The 850Ts are likely to get very cold on Wednesday - perhaps to near -4C, and then again on Thursday and then again on the weekend. These could see snow levels drop quite low, and on the weekend could set up some very cold night temperatures (but that's way out).
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is quite amazing how little the progs are changing with this system. W to SW flow should now becoming progressively more southerly through to sunday with showers increasing Thur/Fri and easing there-after. Some nice cold upper temperatures are proged for the weekend which should trigger some convection.

Latest EC suggest strong SW flow could re-establish for all of next week, so could be another week of showers.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Showers today have been rather disappointing with the flow just slightly too westerly and too dry (dp typically near 3C). Under this scenario south Gippsland and the SW coast do OK, but that's it.

Things should start to pick up over the coming hours, and particularly so tomorrow as we go into SW flow proper. GFS suggests some rather hefty falls.

Only 0.2mm up here today, and our 6th sub-10 max in a row at 7.7C.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The flow over the SE is now slowly tending more SW as predicted and moistening up. Pressures are also dropping. The dp is up by 2-3C in the last 24 hours, and the cloud base has dropped a lot - eg around Melbourne's east its at just 400m ATM. This pattern should set up some very nice totals in the catchments, and looks to continue until at least Monday, then re-establish again mid next week.

There is a very odd "frontal" feature moving up into Bass Strait ATM - it looks like a warm front. Will be interesting to see if there is much weather with it overnight.

It has been a very showery foggy day up here in the Dandenongs, though totals are a bit disappointing - just 3.5mm today so far. Another cold day - max of just 8.3C.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A night of thick drizzle and fog in the Dandenongs with about 10mm to 6am. This weather is great for Melbourne's catchments.... so hopefully we get another 48-72 hours as progs suggest.

Steadily warming air overnight with the freezing level now rather high at about 1550m - will probably make for a nasty day if you at Lake Mt, Baw Baw of Buller with wet wet fog.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heavy frequent showers up here today after a night of drizzle and fog.
We had 14mm to 6am and about 3mm since. We have also had two hail
showers today - though small stones - about 3mm in diam. Showers the
air-mass has cooled a lot since yesterday's "warm" front.

Event total is now up to 85mm... we finally have some puddles in the
garden so the soil is now finally starting to wet up (we have very
deep soils here in the Dandenongs).. but still 30mm to the monthly
average.

Progs suggest another week (or more) of showery conditions as the big
highs sits south of Perth. There is a lot of activity in the next week - a significant cold pool Sunday/Monday, a fast approaching front on Tuesday, then a strong cold-outbreak likely on Thursday.
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